Fusions

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Fusions have been part of ShadowApex's vision for Tuxemon for most of the time it has been under development.

Implementation

There are a number of ways that fusions could be implemented:

  • Merging, where two tuxemon are temporarily combined, as envisaged in The Spyder in the Cathedral
  • Splicing, where two tuxemon are permanently combined
  • Breeding, where the "fused" tuxemon is the child of two other tuxemon

Questions to resolve

Original thread

Further discussion

Which elements are taken from each "half"

Sanglorian suggests consistently taking the prefix from the father and suffix from the mother, or vice versa, communicating a little bit about the genealogy of the tuxemon. You could even have crosses have different powers based on which is the father and which is the mother, which absolutely happens in real life (ligers and tigons are quite different for example).

A Bamboon♂ × Rockitten♀ (Bamkitten) could consistently take the size, weight and stats of its father but the element and techniques of its mother, while a Rockitten♂ × Bamboon♀ (Rockboon) could have the size, weight and stats of a Rockitten but the element and techniques of a Bamboon.

ShadowApex points out the only hitch is that, unlike with breeding, the fusion system that they had in mind could be between any two monsters, regardless of gender.

If fusion is permanent, are there new Tuxepedia App blurbs for the fused tuxemon?

The blurb could simply be: "Fused from A and B".

Or it could be randomly generated, perhaps based on the fused monster's Type and Body Shape.

The most work but perhaps most satisfying would be to create mixable elements for each tuxemon species, so

How does morphing work for fusions?

  1. They don't morph; if they are the combination of a first-stage tuxemon and a third-stage tuxemon, they just stay that way
  2. They inherit morph patterns from one or the other "contributor" tuxemon
  3. All fused monsters have a standard morph pattern (provided their contributor monsters have morphs)

Fusions of fusions

The permanent fusions - splicing and breeding - raise the question of what happens if a fused tuxemon is then fused with another tuxemon.

This is a concern both for names (if Ignibus + Agnite = Igninite, then does Igninite + Agnite = Igninitenite?) and the mechanics.

fruitdev had four suggestions for how to resolve the naming problem:

  • Develop a rigorous naming system that conveys all ethnic information of the tuxemon and have the program generate such names. The problem with this is that names eventually might grow to monstrous sizes.
  • Allow players to name all fused species in-game, thus taking the load off the computer and making names more natural, but limiting a common understanding of names between players.
  • Prohibit breeding of fused monsters, just like real-life animals like ligers and mules. That way, the tuxemon can be named using two simple root words from its parents, and it wouldn't have to keep track of blood percentages that would only gain complexity as the player breeds his creature with more mates. Unfortunately, this would also mean there are a limited number of tuxemon to find and catch, and that is what the fusion system is trying to alleviate in the first place.
  • Prohibit breeding of fused monsters, and prescribe names to all tuxemon and their combinations. This would give the infertile fusions their own naturalistic names, but it also limits the number of tuxemon that can be caught, just like the last method.

ShadowApex has confirmed that fusion will only be between two "halves"; if a fused tuxemon is used in a fusion, then only one of its two halves will be put in the mix. For example, if you fused an Ignibus/Agnite with a Heronquak/Grintrock, the resulting monster could be Ignibus/Grintrock. This will reduce the total number of fusion combinations, but any fusion system will have a finite number of possibilities.

In regards to the naming of fused monsters, each monster has a name "prefix" and "suffix". Here is an example of how the fused monster name could be generated with these two monsters:

Full Name: Bamboon Prefix: Bam Suffix: boon

Full Name: Rockitten Prefix: Roc Suffix: kitten

Would create something like this:

Full Name: Bamkitten Prefix: Bam Suffix: kitten

How to choose which "half" of a fusion is passed on
  • Random
  • nikkos suggested that the half could be chosen based on which techniques were used more by the fused tuxemon (ShadowApex points out the only problem is if the fused halves share a technique)

Resources

The Spyder in the Cathedral

Fusion is an important sub-plot in The Spyder in the Cathedral.

The Fusion Report found in Greenwash HQ has the details on fusion.

A fusion-based plot, proposed by rsg167

Original thread

We keep the monster fusion mechanic a secret.

When the player topples over half the Great Cathedral's pillars, a representative of Giovanni approaches. He challenges the player -- a usual thing for a boss to do -- but his monster is a fusion. And fusions are really strong. Like, stuck-on-the-same-battle-three-days strong.

Every now and then, the boss's fused monster emotes:

"ROCKTERA shivers."

It turns out that fused monsters will occasionally replace a move with shivering. If you've seen Romani from LoZ: Majora's Mask after They get her, you already know what I'm going for.

If a fused monster meets the evolution requirements of either of its base monsters, it will forget all its moves and become unresponsive to player commands. It will just do nothing.

Here comes an important player decision.

  1. Should I keep fighting with my normal tuxemons, even though it's really hard?
  2. Or, should I fuse my tuxemons, consigning them to a broken existence but being strong enough to plow through Giovanni's forces?

ShadowApex:

I really love the idea of making big decisions like this, and especially giving the fusions an important role to play that may be critical to the story, instead of something that's just thrown in. I think there's some problems I could see though:

1. I feel this would promote players to just use "throw-away" monsters for fusions. Catch a monster in the wild and level them up a little bit, then fuse them for a certain battle and throw them away when they can't be used any more.

rsg167:
I never thought of that. yikes Yes, many players would probably start doing that. I don't think it's bad, though. Players would be able to see things from the villain's perspective. What are the benefits of fusion? What are the drawbacks? Then they could come to their own conclusions.

Throw-away monsters could be a strategy for players who are only interested in the storyline. It would be the "easy mode", if you will.

2. I think this would also have a negative affect on multiplayer. In multiplayer battles, everyone would need to resort to fusions to have the fighting power to win a match. This would essentially make all non-fused monsters not viable for multiplayer, and decrease the diversity of teams.

rsg167:
I agree completely. One possible workaround is to have the players agree on a "battle ruleset":
All's Fair - fusion monsters have boosted stats
Weak Fusions - fusion monsters don't have boosted stats
No Fusions - only natural monsters allowed
You can only fight with someone if you both agree on a ruleset.

I think the general idea of fusions used as a plot device for the main antagonist is great, so long as we can work around those problems. Even making the fusions look somewhat grotesque would add to the feeling that fusing monsters might be morally wrong.

Fusion Names

 FrontSpriteFusion FirstFusion Second
AV8RBirdbot - josepharaoh99.pngAV8R
AardartAardorn 64px.pngAardArt
AardornAardorn 1.pngAarDorn
AbesnakiAbesnaki-front2.pngAbeSnaki
Agnidon2 by levaine-dalaeg8.pngAgnidDon
Agnigon3 by levaine-dalb6gr.pngAgnigIgon
AgniteAgnite by aviculor-da6gkxs.pngAgniNite
AllagonAllagon (from alloy and dragon).pngAllaGon
AltieAltie front.pngAlTie
AngritoAngrito fakemon by serpexnessie-davf995.pngAngRito
AnoleafAnoleaf.pngAnoLeaf
AnuAnu front.pngAnNu
ApeoroApeoro sprite.pngApeoOro
AraigneeAraignee.pngAraigNee
ArthroboltArthrobolt-front.pngArthroBolt
AxylightlAxylightl-front.pngAxyLightl
B-ver.1Beaverbot front.gifB-Ver.1
BamboonBamboon-front.pngBamBoon
BanlingBanling.pngBanLing
Beenstalker7 by levaine-dcim11p.pngBeenStalker
BigfinDollfin-front.pngBigFin
BirdlingBirdling-tamashihoshi.pngBirdDling
BoltBolt-front.pngBolOlt
BoltnuDdm212m-2131efb9-32b9-410a-a298-c4a30e81df84.png
BotbotBotbot-front.png
BoxaliBoxali front 64.png
Budaye4 by levaine-dalforb.png
BugninSamuraibug-front-alt.png
BumbulusBumbulus.png
BursaBursa.png
CairfreyCairfrey.png
CapitiCapiti front.png
CardilingCardiling fakemon sprite by spalding004-d5ky07l.png
CardinaleCardinale fakemon sprite by spalding004-d5ky0jw.png
CardiwingCardiwing fakemon sprite by spalding004-d5ky0e ip.png
CataspikeCataspike.png
CateyeNemo03-front.png
ChenipodeChenipode front.png
ChibiroChibiro front 64.png
ChillimpAd2cEaf.png
ChloragonChloragon.png
ChromeyeChromeye fakemon by serpexnessie-davf8yw.pngChromMeye
CochiniCochini front 64.png
ColeorusColeorus front.png
ConifrostConifrost.png
ConileafConileaf Front (64x64).png
CorvixCervix front 64.png
CowpignonCowpignon front.png
CriniothermeCriniotherme front 64.pngCrinioTherme
DandicubDandicub-front.png
DandylionDandylion-front.png
DinoflopDinoflop front.png
DjinnboDjinnbo-front.png
DollfinDollfin-front-.png
DracuneDracune.png
DragarborDragarbor.png
DrokoroDrokoro 64x front.png
Dune PincherDune-pincher-front.png
Eaglace9 by levaine-dabti61.png
EloflyEloflyFront 64px.png
ElostormElostorm Front 64px.png
ElowindElowindFront 64px.png
EmbazookGunnerturtle front.png
EmbraEmbra.png
EndurosEnduros front.png
EruptibusVolcanoturtle-front.png
ExapodeExapode front.png
ExclawvateDdm2123-4948e6bd-2116-4936-8755-45095d7ed12c.png
EyenemyEyenemy-front.png
EyesoreEyesore-front.png
Fancair6 by levaine-damt69o.png
FerricranFerricran.png
FlaconoFlacono front.png
FlambearFlambear.png
FluoresfinFluoresfin fakemon by serpexnessie-dau5fof.png
FluttaflapFluttaflap.png
FoofleFoofle-front.png
FordinFordin 64.png
ForturtleForturtle-front.png
FoxfireFoxfire-front.png
Frondly5 by levaine-dam2fdf.png
FruiteraFruitera-front.png
FurnursusOusirflamme front 64.png
GalnecGalnec front 64.png
GectileGectile.png
GhosteethGhosteeth-front.png
GraffikiGouachtiti front 64.png
GrimachinGrimachin.png
GrinflareGrinflare.pngGrinFlare
GrintotGrintot.pngGrintoTot
GrintrockGrintrock.png
GrumpiUnid-monster.png
HampotamosHampotamos front.png
HappitoHappito fakemon by serpexnessie-davf96z.pngHapPito
HatchlingHatchling-tamashihoshi.png
Heronquak8 by levaine-dabti68.png
HydroneHydrone-front.png
IgnibusMagmaturtle-front-alt.png
IncandesfinIncandesfin fakemon by serpexnessie-dau5fs6.png
JemuarKo6RWYx.pngJemMuar
K9Petbot front.gif
KatacoonSumococoon.png
KatapillSumobug second prevolution - sang.png
KomodrawKomodraw fakemon by serpexnessie-dau02iq.png
LambertLambert-front.pngLamBert
LapinouLapinou.png
LegkoLambert Evo Take II first attempt.pngLegKo
LightmareLightmare fakemon by serpexnessie-dau5g5k.png
MRmOswitchMonkeybot-front.png
ManostingManosting.png
MasknakeMasknake-tamashihoshi-light tail.png
MemnomnomMemnomnom-front.png
Metesaur1566113762639 metesaur.png
Miaownolith5 by levaine-da7svx8.pngMiaowNolith
MolochMoloch-front.pngMolLoch
NarcileafNarcileaf.png
NeutritoNeutrito fakemon by serpexnessie-davf94p.pngNeuTrito
NoctaloNoctalo front.png
NoctulaNoctula front.png
NostrayRaynose.png
Nudiflot ♀Nudiflot take 2.png
Nudiflot ♂1 by levaine-da6ftsr.png
Nudikill3 by levaine-da6on7x.png
Nudimind2 by levaine-da6ftul.png
NuenfluNuenflu front.png
NutNut-front.pngNuNut
OctabodeOctabode front.gif
OuroboutletOuroboutlet fakemon by serpexnessie-davf8fy.png
PantherafiraPanthera fira Front.png
PharfanPharfan front 64.png
PiCCFishbot-frot.png
PigabytePigabyte-front.png
PipisPipis.png
PoinchinPoinchin.png
PolyrockPolyrock front.png
PossessunPossessun.png
PropellercatPropellercat-front.png
ProphetoiseProphetoise-front.png
PuparmorPuparmor.png
PyraminxNemo01-front.png
PythockDdm211h-8bbce8a5-b622-428d-a959-9a99d5004626.png
PythwirePythwire fakemon by serpexnessie-dau8woj.png
Qetzlrokilus1566113761205 quetzalrockius.png
RabbitosaurRabbitosaur.png
RhincusRhincus-front.png
RockatRockat-front.pngRockaKat
RockittenRockitten-front.pngRocKitten
Rosarin1-0 64px2.png
RuptionRuption.png
SaditoSadito fakemon by serpexnessie-davf9bm.pngSadDito
SampsackSampsack.png
SampsageSampsage.png
SapragonSapragon.png
SapsnapSapsnap.png
SaurchinSaurchin.png
SclairusSclairus front 64.png
SeireinSeirein fakemon by serpexnessie-davf8ul.png
SelketSelket front.png
SelmatekSelmatek front 64.png
ShammerShammer-front.png
SharpfinSharpfin front 2.png
ShnarkShnark.gif
ShybulbShybulb.png
SkwibSkwib front.png
SludgehogSludgehog-front.png
SnakiSnaki front.png
SnarlonSnarlon.png
SnockDdm210x-67f46e40-65da-43c9-b93b-3d6b0051be3a.png
SnokariSnokari front.png
SnowrillaSnorilla.png
SockeserpSockeserp fakemon by serpexnessie-daulp7c.png
SpighterSpighter.png
SpoilurmVerpomme front 64.png
SpycozeusSpycozeus front.png
SquabbitSquabbit.png
Statursus5-0 64px2.png
StrellaStrella.png
SumchonSumobug front.png
TarpeurTarpeur front.png
TaupypusOrnitaupe front 64.png
TetrchimpTetrchimp sprite.png
TigrockTigrock-front.png
TikoalTikoal.png
TikorchTikorch.png
ToufigelToufigel front.png
TourbidiTourbidi front.png
TrapsnapTrapsnap.png
TumblebeeTumbleBee.png
TumblewormTumbleWorm.png
Turnipper6 by levaine-dcim10v.pngTurNipper
Tweesher7 by levaine-dabti6h.pngTweeSher
UrcineUrcine front.png
VampormVamporm.png
VelocitileVelocitile.png
VigueurTarpeur evolutionfront.png
VivicinderVivicinde r front.png
VividactilVividactil front.png
VivipereV front.png
ViviphytaViviphyta front 64.png
VivisourceVivisource front.png
ViviteelViviteel front.png
VivitransVivitrans front.png
VivitronVivitron front.png
VolcoliVolcoli front.png
WeaviflyWeavifly.png
Windeye7 by levaine-damt69m.png
WrougonWrougon.png
YiinaangYiinaang.png
ZunnaZunna 1.png