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Jaskrendix at 18:49, 28 September 2025

2025-09-28T18:49:19Z

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	* A monster levels up when its total XP meets or exceeds:		* A monster levels up when its total XP meets or exceeds:
	* '''(Current Level × Experience Required Modifier)³'''		* '''(Current Level × Experience Required Modifier)³'''
	* The Experience Required Modifier is currently hard-coded to '''1''' for all monsters.		* The '''Experience Required Modifier''' affects both levelling and XP rewards:
			** For levelling up, it is applied to the monster gaining experience. This value is currently hard-coded to '''1''' for all player monsters.
			** For XP rewards, it is applied to the '''defeated''' monster — not the one gaining XP.
			** Opponent monsters (NPCs and wild encounters) can have custom Experience Required Modifiers defined in their respective JSON files.
			** The XP awarded to participating player monsters is calculated as:
			*** '''(Defeated Monster's Level × Defeated Monster's Experience Required Modifier)²'''
	* Monsters may increase multiple levels at once if enough XP is gained.		* Monsters may increase multiple levels at once if enough XP is gained.
	* Monsters do '''not''' gain XP once they reach the maximum level (100).		* Monsters do '''not''' gain XP once they reach the maximum level (100).

Jaskrendix at 18:46, 28 September 2025

2025-09-28T18:46:11Z

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	~~Monsters range in level from level 1 to level 100. The number of experience points an individual monster has determines its level.~~		= Monster Experience and Levelling System =
	~~Monsters mostly gain experience points through battling other monsters. There may be other ways of gaining experience points as well.~~

	~~= Current implementation~~ of experience points ~~and levelling =~~		Monsters range in level from 1 to 100. The number of experience points (XP) a monster has determines its level. Monsters primarily gain XP through battling other monsters, though other methods may exist.

	~~When an enemy monster is eliminated, all player monsters that did any amount~~ of ~~damage to it are given an equal portion of (its total experience points / its level) (this is equivalent to giving experience points equal to level ^ 2).~~		== Current Implementation of Experience Points and Levelling ==

	A monster ~~increases in level if~~ its total ~~experience points meet~~ or ~~exceed~~ (~~its level * its~~ Experience Required Modifier) ~~^ 3. I believe the~~ Experience Required Modifier is currently hard-coded to 1 for all monsters.		* When an enemy monster is eliminated, all player monsters that dealt any damage to it receive an equal portion of:
			* '''(Total XP / Enemy Level)''' — equivalent to '''Enemy Level²'''
			* A monster levels up when its total XP meets or exceeds:
			* '''(Current Level × Experience Required Modifier)³'''
			* The Experience Required Modifier is currently hard-coded to '''1''' for all monsters.
			* Monsters may increase multiple levels at once if enough XP is gained.
			* Monsters do '''not''' gain XP once they reach the maximum level (100).
			* Levelling up occurs '''immediately'''; morphing occurs '''after the battle''' if the player wins.

	~~A monster increases as many levels as it is entitled to.~~		== Experience Multipliers ==

	~~Monsters should not gain experience points once they have reached maximum level (100).~~		XP gained is adjusted based on the monster's origin:

	~~Levelling up occurs immediately; morphing occurs after the battle if the player wins the battle~~.		{\| class="wikitable"
			! Origin !! Multiplier
			\|-
			\| Captured \|\| ×1.0
			\|-
			\| Traded \|\| ×1.5
			\|-
			\| Bred \|\| ×1.2
			\|-
			\| Gifted \|\| ×1.2
			\|-
			\| Purchased \|\| ×0.9
			\|-
			\| Rescued \|\| ×1.3
			\|-
			\| Created \|\| ×1.0
			\|}

	== Experience ~~multipliers~~ ==		== Sharing Experience Points ==

	~~The experience points a monster gains~~ are ~~adjusted by a multiplier based on the monster's origin~~:		There are items that affect how XP is distributed:

	~~Captured~~: x1		* '''[[XP Transmitter]]''': If in the player’s possession, half of the XP goes to participating monsters, and half to non-participating monsters.
	~~Traded: x1~~.5		* '''[[XP Feeder]]''': Given to a specific monster. Half of the XP goes to participating monsters, and half to the designated monster (which may double-dip if it participated).
	~~Bred~~: x1.2
	~~Gifted: x1.2~~
	~~Purchased: x0.9~~
	~~Rescued: x1.3~~
	~~Created: x1~~.0

	== ~~Sharing experience points~~ ==		== Experience Items ==

	~~There are ways to share experience~~:		Out-of-combat consumables that grant additional XP:

	* [[~~XP Transmitter~~]]~~: An item that, if it is in the player’s possession, means that half of the XP goes to monsters that participated and half goes to monsters that did not participate.~~		* '''[[Tea]]'''
	* [[~~XP Feeder~~]]~~: An item given to a particular monster that means that half of the XP goes to monsters that participated and half goes to that monster (including allowing them to double-dip if they participated)~~		* '''[[Mystery Tea]]'''
			* '''[[Ancient Tea]]'''
			* '''[[Imperial Tea]]'''

	~~== Experience items ==~~		Approximate XP effects:

	~~These are out-of-combat consumables that give the monster additional experience points.~~		* '''Tea''': Advances a level 4 monster to halfway through level 5.
			* '''Mystery Tea''': Advances a level 9 monster to halfway through level 10.
	* [[Tea]]		* '''Ancient Tea''': Advances a level 16 monster to level 17.
	* [[Mystery Tea]]		* '''Imperial Tea''': Advances a level 25 monster to level 26.
	* [[Ancient Tea]]
	* [[Imperial Tea]]

	~~Tea gives roughly enough experience points to advance~~ a ~~4th~~ level monster to halfway through level ~~5th; Super~~ Tea a ~~9th~~ level monster to halfway through ~~10th; Mega~~ Tea a ~~16th~~ level monster to ~~17th~~ level; Imperial Tea a ~~25th~~ level monster to ~~26th~~.

Sanglorian: Cleaning up entry and adding new multipliers now they've been merged

2025-09-28T08:38:02Z

Cleaning up entry and adding new multipliers now they've been merged

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Sanglorian: /* When does levelling up occur? */

2023-04-23T12:50:54Z

When does levelling up occur?

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	The three options are:		The three options are:

	• Levelling up occurs after the battle is over, if the player wins the battle		* Levelling up occurs after the battle is over, if the player wins the battle
	• Levelling up occurs after the battle is over, regardless of who wins the battle		* Levelling up occurs after the battle is over, regardless of who wins the battle
	• Levelling up occurs immediately; morphing occurs after the battle if the player wins the battle (current and my preference at the moment)		* Levelling up occurs immediately; morphing occurs after the battle if the player wins the battle (current and my preference at the moment)
	• Levelling up occurs immediately; morphing occurs after the battle regardless of who wins		* Levelling up occurs immediately; morphing occurs after the battle regardless of who wins
	• Levelling up and morphing occurs immediately (my second preference)		* Levelling up and morphing occurs immediately (my second preference)

	Whenever levelling up does occur, the stat, technique, etc. changes that come along with levelling up should occur immediately.		Whenever levelling up does occur, the stat, technique, etc. changes that come along with levelling up should occur immediately.

	== Experience items ==		== Experience items ==

Sanglorian at 12:50, 23 April 2023

2023-04-23T12:50:40Z

Sanglorian at 22:54, 10 January 2020

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-A monster that acquires enough experience points increases in [[level]], and may [[morph]].
+Monsters range in level from level 1 to level 100. The number of experience points an individual monster has determines its level.
-= Alternative experience points calculations =
+= Current implementation of experience points and levelling =
 An alternative that matches what is done in other monster catching games would be to make level ^ 3 the additional experience points required to increase a level, rather than the total experience points required to be at that level.
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-== Experience Points Given formula  ==
+=== Experience Points Given formula  ===
 This could be as simple or complicated as we want to make it.
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 Life Stage multiplier: Original stage = 2, Middle stage = 3, Final stage = 5
-== Ramifications ==
+=== Ramifications ===
 Because Experience Points Given is based on level squared but Experience Points to Level Up is based on level cubed, monsters of higher level will require more battles to level up – all things being equal.

Sanglorian at 22:46, 10 January 2020

2020-01-10T22:46:36Z

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			A monster that acquires enough experience points increases in [[level]], and may [[morph]].

	= Alternative experience points calculations =		= Alternative experience points calculations =

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= Alternative experience points calculations =

An alternative that matches what is done in other monster catching games would be to make level ^ 3 the additional experience points required to increase a level, rather than the total experience points required to be at that level.

You could also have different families of monster to level up at different rates. For example, a stupid, ancient or powerful monster might gain levels more slowly. A clever or weak monster might gain levels more quickly. You could even have monsters that gain levels quickly to begin with, but then take more time; or vice versa.

Here are five suggested formulas:

{| class="wikitable"
! Name !! Formula !! Potential use
|-
| Slow || (level ^ 3) * 0.8 || Dinosaurs, dunces, golems, giants, legends
|-
| Medium || (level ^ 3) || Domesticated animals, predators
|-
| Fast || (level ^ 3) * 1.25 || Rodents, insects, fish, magical creatures
|-
| Slow-then-fast || (level ^ 3) * (1.3 – (level/180)) || Aliens, dragons, oddities
|-
| Fast-then-slow || (level ^ 3) * (0.75 + (level/180)) || Starter monsters, team staples, humanoids
|}

== Experience Points Given formula ==

This could be as simple or complicated as we want to make it.

I suggest a simple formula:

Experience Points Given = Life Stage multiplier * (defeated monster’s level ^ 2)

Life Stage multiplier: Original stage = 2, Middle stage = 3, Final stage = 5

== Ramifications ==

Because Experience Points Given is based on level squared but Experience Points to Level Up is based on level cubed, monsters of higher level will require more battles to level up – all things being equal.

However, the life stage multiplier is important here, because Middle and Final stage monsters will become more common, and Original stage monsters less common, as monsters are higher level. This goes some way towards reducing this effect – but does not wholly eliminate it.

This is by design – players progress quickly at first, but then have to work harder for later progress.

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	The current system results in some funny behaviours:		The current system results in some funny behaviours:

	• Level 1 monsters give no experience points.		* Level 1 monsters give no experience points.
	• It takes a monster defeating between five and three monsters of the same level to increase in level – with low level monsters needing to defeat more monsters to level up. In most games it’s quicker to level up at lower levels and it gets progressively slower.		* It takes a monster defeating between five and three monsters of the same level to increase in level – with low level monsters needing to defeat more monsters to level up. In most games it’s quicker to level up at lower levels and it gets progressively slower.
	• I suspect that this is quite quick levelling up compared to other games, and compared to the story that we have planned.		* I suspect that this is quite quick levelling up compared to other games, and compared to the story that we have planned.
	• All monsters of the same level give the same experience points (not necessarily a bad thing, but it is unusual).		* All monsters of the same level give the same experience points (not necessarily a bad thing, but it is unusual).
	• Monsters can have more experience points than their level would suggest; they potentially “should” be many levels higher.		* Monsters can have more experience points than their level would suggest; they potentially “should” be many levels higher.
	• A monster could make a contribution in battle without damaging the opponent, e.g. using a technique that makes them confused or enraged. Currently, they wouldn't receive experience points for participating in that battle.		* A monster could make a contribution in battle without damaging the opponent, e.g. using a technique that makes them confused or enraged. Currently, they wouldn't receive experience points for participating in that battle.

	We should consider:		We should consider:

	• Do we want monsters that only used non-damaging techniques to share in the experience points of the defeated monster?		* Do we want monsters that only used non-damaging techniques to share in the experience points of the defeated monster?
	• How many equally-matched battles do we want a monster to be involved in before it gains one level?		* How many equally-matched battles do we want a monster to be involved in before it gains one level?
	• Do we want lower-level monsters to gain a level after more or fewer equally-matched battles than higher-level monsters?		* Do we want lower-level monsters to gain a level after more or fewer equally-matched battles than higher-level monsters?
	• How much more experience points should higher-level monsters give than lower-level ones? Is defeating a level 10 monster worth twice as much as defeating a level 5 monster? Or four times as much? Or more?		* How much more experience points should higher-level monsters give than lower-level ones? Is defeating a level 10 monster worth twice as much as defeating a level 5 monster? Or four times as much? Or more?

	== Sharing experience points ==		== Sharing experience points ==