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Sanglorian: Fixing maths

2025-10-07T11:32:50Z

Fixing maths

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	= (17 000) / (300)		= (17 000) / (300)
	= 57		= 57

	~~Aardorn's catch_resistance range is chosen from between 0.95 and 1.25.~~

	shake_check:		shake_check:

	= 524 325 / (sqrt(sqrt(100 / catch_check)) * 8) * catch_resistance		= 524 325 / (sqrt(sqrt(100 / catch_check)) * 8) * catch_resistance
	≈ ~~TBC~~		≈ 56 948

	Aardorn’s Catch Resistance is 0.~~95–1~~.25, so the final shake_check threshold is between ~~TBC~~		Aardorn’s Catch Resistance is chosen randomly each capture attempt from between 0.95 and 1.25, so the final shake_check threshold is between 54 101 (46% chance of capture) and 71 185 (100% chance of capture).

	== Catch Rate and Resistance ==		== Catch Rate and Resistance ==

Sanglorian: part fixing my maths

2025-10-03T14:14:24Z

part fixing my maths

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	== Example ==		== Example ==

	The player is trying to capture an '''Aardorn''' (Catch Rate 100%) with maximum 100 HP that has taken 35 damage (current HP 65), using an ordinary [[Tuxeball]] (x1 modifier). The Aardorn has no conditions.		The player is trying to capture an '''Aardorn''' (Catch Rate 100) with maximum 100 HP that has taken 35 damage (current HP 65), using an ordinary [[Tuxeball]] (x1 modifier). The Aardorn has no conditions.

	catch_check:		catch_check:

	= (3 * target.hp - 2 * target.current_hp) * target.catch_rate * status_modifier * tuxeball_modifier / (3 * target.hp)		= (3 * target.hp - 2 * target.current_hp) * target.catch_rate * status_modifier * tuxeball_modifier / (3 * target.hp)
	= (3 * 100 - 2 * 65) * 100% * 1 * 1 / (3 * 100)		= (3 * 100 - 2 * 65) * 100 * 1 * 1 / (3 * 100)
	= (~~170~~) / (300)		= (17 000) / (300)
	= 0.57		= 57

	Aardorn's catch_resistance range is chosen from between 0.95 and 1.05.		Aardorn's catch_resistance range is chosen from between 0.95 and 1.25.

	shake_check:		shake_check:

	= 524 325 / (sqrt(sqrt(100 / catch_check)) * 8) * catch_resistance		= 524 325 / (sqrt(sqrt(100 / catch_check)) * 8) * catch_resistance
	≈ ~~18 009~~		≈ TBC

	Aardorn’s Catch Resistance is 0.95–1.05, so the final shake_check threshold is between ~~17,108 and 18,909.~~		Aardorn’s Catch Resistance is 0.95–1.25, so the final shake_check threshold is between TBC

	== Catch Rate and Resistance ==		== Catch Rate and Resistance ==

Sanglorian at 14:04, 3 October 2025

2025-10-03T14:04:28Z

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	= (3 * target.hp - 2 * target.current_hp) * target.catch_rate * status_modifier * tuxeball_modifier / (3 * target.hp)		= (3 * target.hp - 2 * target.current_hp) * target.catch_rate * status_modifier * tuxeball_modifier / (3 * target.hp)

	= (3 * 100 - 2 * 65) * 100% * 1 * 1 / (3 * 100)		= (3 * 100 - 2 * 65) * 100% * 1 * 1 / (3 * 100)

	= (170) / (300)		= (170) / (300)

	= 0.57		= 0.57

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	= 524 325 / (sqrt(sqrt(100 / catch_check)) * 8) * catch_resistance		= 524 325 / (sqrt(sqrt(100 / catch_check)) * 8) * catch_resistance

	≈ 18 009		≈ 18 009

Sanglorian: Saving but in progress - explanation of capturing

2025-10-03T14:04:04Z

Saving but in progress - explanation of capturing

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	[[File:Image--022.jpg\|thumbnail]]When the player faces a wild tuxemon (one without a [[trainer]]) in combat, the player can use a device to catch it - which makes the tuxemon belong to the player.		[[File:Image--022.jpg\|thumbnail\|Example capture animation]]When the player faces a wild tuxemon (one without a [[trainer]]) in combat, the player can use a device to catch it - which makes the tuxemon belong to the player.

	= Purpose =		= Purpose =

	~~Having~~ capturing ~~as part of~~ combat adds a few features to the game:		Including capturing in combat adds a few features to the game:

	# Even battles against weak tuxemon are challenging, since you need to lower their hit points without eliminating them		# Even battles against weak tuxemon are challenging, since you need to lower their hit points without eliminating them
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	= How It Works =		= How It Works =

	~~The main method of capturing that has been proposed is as follows:~~

	# You buy or otherwise acquire a number of [[Capture Device]]s		# You buy or otherwise acquire a number of [[Capture Device]]s
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	# It has a chance of succeeding. If it does, you catch the tuxemon. If it doesn't, then your Turn for the Round is over. You can try again later, however.		# It has a chance of succeeding. If it does, you catch the tuxemon. If it doesn't, then your Turn for the Round is over. You can try again later, however.

	~~There are a~~ number ~~of factors~~ that ~~could be involved in catch likelihood~~:		= Current System =

			catch_check Formula:

			(3 * target.hp - 2 * target.current_hp) * target.catch_rate * status_modifier * tuxeball_modifier / (3 * target.hp)

			shake_check Formula:

			= 524325 / (sqrt(sqrt(100 / catch_check)) * 8) * catch_resistance

			A random number between 0 and 65 536 is chosen and compared to this result.

			The shake_check occurs four times. If any shake_check fails, the capture attempt ends immediately. If all four succeed, the capture succeeds.

			== Example ==

			The player is trying to capture an '''Aardorn''' (Catch Rate 100%) with maximum 100 HP that has taken 35 damage (current HP 65), using an ordinary [[Tuxeball]] (x1 modifier). The Aardorn has no conditions.

			catch_check:

			= (3 * target.hp - 2 * target.current_hp) * target.catch_rate * status_modifier * tuxeball_modifier / (3 * target.hp)

			= (3 * 100 - 2 * 65) * 100% * 1 * 1 / (3 * 100)

			= (170) / (300)

			= 0.57

	* The item used		Aardorn's catch_resistance range is chosen from between 0.95 and 1.05.
	* The level of the tuxemon
	* The HP of the tuxemon (current and ~~maximum)~~
	* The species of tuxemon (some may be harder or easier to catch)
	* Conditions affecting the tuxemon
	* Some property of the trainer, like if they are well-liked by their other tuxemon or by their active tuxemon

	~~So far we have only gone with~~ the ~~item used~~, ~~the HP of the tuxemon~~ and ~~conditions affecting the tuxemon~~.		shake_check:

	~~= Current System =~~		= 524 325 / (sqrt(sqrt(100 / catch_check)) * 8) * catch_resistance

			≈ 18 009

			Aardorn’s Catch Resistance is 0.95–1.05, so the final shake_check threshold is between 17,108 and 18,909.

	Catch ~~Likelihood:~~		== Catch Rate and Resistance ==

	~~(3 * target~~.~~hp - 2 * target.current_hp) * target.catch_rate * status_modifier * tuxeball_modifier / (3 * target.hp)~~		Depending on what sort of monster it is, the calculation changes in two ways.

	~~shake_check = 65536 /~~ (~~255 / catch_check~~) ** 0.~~1875~~		Every monster has a Catch Rate (catch_rate in the formula above) of between 5% and 100%. This affects the overall chance of succeeding on the check.

	== Catch ~~Rate ==~~		{\| class="wikitable"
			! Catch rate !! # of species !! Example species
			\|-
			\| 5% \|\| 5 species \|\| [[Altie]]
			\|-
			\| 35% \|\| 47 species \|\| [[Agnigon]]
			\|-
			\| 50% \|\| 2 species \|\| [[Glomon]]
			\|-
			\| 70% \|\| 142 species \|\| [[Aardart]]
			\|-
			\| 100% \|\| 215 species \|\| [[Aardorn]]
			\|}

	~~The amount that the catch likelihood would be multiplied by.~~

	I.~~e. a catch resistance~~ of ~~1 would mean an unchanged catch likelihood,~~ a ~~catch resistance of 0 would mean~~ a monster is ~~impossible to catch, and a catch resistance of 0.5 would mean that~~ the ~~mon is half as likely to be caught as standard~~.		In addition, every monster has a Catch Resistance range. The odds of a shake_check are multiplied by a random number chosen from within the monster's Catch Resistance range. The number is the same for each shake_check.

	~~If no catch resistance is specified, a default~~ of ~~1 would be used~~.		{\| class="wikitable"
			! Lower–Upper range !! # of species !! Example species
			\|-
			\| 0.95–1.05 \|\| 165 \|\| [[Chromeye]]
			\|-
			\| 0.95–1.25 \|\| 49 \|\| [[Forturtle]]
			\|-
			\| 0.90–1.15 \|\| 165 \|\| [[Snaki]]
			\|-
			\| 0.85–1.10 \|\| 28 \|\| [[Gladiatorbug]]
			\|-
			\| 0.80–1.05 \|\| 4 \|\| [[Drokoro]]
			\|}

	== Dialogue ==		== Dialogue ==
	* It worked!		On attempt: "Attempting capture..."
	* It failed!
			If attempt fails on the first shake_check: "Capture failed immediately."

			On second check: "The capture failed."

			On third check: "Not this time! The capture failed."

			On fourth check: "So close! But the capture failed."

			On success: "Gotcha! {name} has been put in the kennel!" or "Gotcha! {name} has joined the team!"

	= Other capturing options =		= Other capturing options =

	[[Other capturing options]]		* [[Other capturing options]]

Sanglorian at 09:49, 17 April 2023

2023-04-17T09:49:43Z

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 * Some property of the trainer, like if they are well-liked by their other tuxemon or by their active tuxemon
-So far we have only gone with the item used, the HP of the tuxemon and conditions affecting the tuxemon - and at the moment there is only one item, so that is effectively static.
+So far we have only gone with the item used, the HP of the tuxemon and conditions affecting the tuxemon.
 = Current System =
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 * It failed!
-= Other options =
+= Other capturing options =
-You could do this subtly by having different trainer sprites show different objects - without spelling out that this person's umbrella is their binding object, that person's amulet is their binding object. etc.
+[[Other capturing options]]

Sanglorian: /* Item additions */

2023-04-17T09:44:45Z

Item additions

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	== Item additions ==		== Item additions ==

	* ''Candied Flask:'' Upon capture, the tuxemon increases in level by 1. (added [[Candy Tuxeball]])
	* ''Flavoured Flask:'' The tuxemon's positive taste changes to the one specified by the flask. (added [[Hearty Tuxeball]], [[Peppy Tuxeball]], [[Refined Tuxeball]], [[Salty Tuxeball]] and [[Zesty Tuxeball]])
	* ''Quick Flask:'' If the capture fails, you don't lose your turn (but the flask does break as normal).		* ''Quick Flask:'' If the capture fails, you don't lose your turn (but the flask does break as normal).
	* ''Friend Flask:'' A held item. The active tuxemon attempts a capture at a certain point (no action required).		* ''Friend Flask:'' A held item. The active tuxemon attempts a capture at a certain point (no action required).
	* ''Lavish Flask:'' The capture has a higher chance of succeeding. (added [[Lavish Tuxeball]])
	* ''Hardened Flask:'' Doesn't break on a failed capture. (added [[Hardened Tuxeball]])
	* ''Smooth Flask:'' The tuxemon likes you better after capture.		* ''Smooth Flask:'' The tuxemon likes you better after capture.

Jaskrendix at 14:41, 21 March 2023

2023-03-21T14:41:05Z

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	* ''Candied Flask:'' Upon capture, the tuxemon increases in level by 1. (added [[Candy Tuxeball]])		* ''Candied Flask:'' Upon capture, the tuxemon increases in level by 1. (added [[Candy Tuxeball]])
	* ''Flavoured Flask:'' The tuxemon's positive taste changes to the one specified by the flask. (added [[Hearty Tuxeball]], [[Peppy Tuxeball]], [[Refined Tuxeball]], [[Salty Tuxeball]] and [[~~Zest~~ Tuxeball]])		* ''Flavoured Flask:'' The tuxemon's positive taste changes to the one specified by the flask. (added [[Hearty Tuxeball]], [[Peppy Tuxeball]], [[Refined Tuxeball]], [[Salty Tuxeball]] and [[Zesty Tuxeball]])
	* ''Quick Flask:'' If the capture fails, you don't lose your turn (but the flask does break as normal).		* ''Quick Flask:'' If the capture fails, you don't lose your turn (but the flask does break as normal).
	* ''Friend Flask:'' A held item. The active tuxemon attempts a capture at a certain point (no action required).		* ''Friend Flask:'' A held item. The active tuxemon attempts a capture at a certain point (no action required).

Jaskrendix at 14:40, 21 March 2023

2023-03-21T14:40:38Z

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	== Item additions ==		== Item additions ==

	* ''Candied Flask:'' Upon capture, the tuxemon increases in level by 1. (added)		* ''Candied Flask:'' Upon capture, the tuxemon increases in level by 1. (added [[Candy Tuxeball]])
	* ''Flavoured Flask:'' The tuxemon's positive taste changes to the one specified by the flask. (added)		* ''Flavoured Flask:'' The tuxemon's positive taste changes to the one specified by the flask. (added [[Hearty Tuxeball]], [[Peppy Tuxeball]], [[Refined Tuxeball]], [[Salty Tuxeball]] and [[Zest Tuxeball]])
	* ''Quick Flask:'' If the capture fails, you don't lose your turn (but the flask does break as normal). ~~(added)~~		* ''Quick Flask:'' If the capture fails, you don't lose your turn (but the flask does break as normal).
	* ''Friend Flask:'' A held item. The active tuxemon attempts a capture at a certain point (no action required).		* ''Friend Flask:'' A held item. The active tuxemon attempts a capture at a certain point (no action required).
	* ''Lavish Flask:'' The capture has a higher chance of succeeding. (added)		* ''Lavish Flask:'' The capture has a higher chance of succeeding. (added [[Lavish Tuxeball]])
	* ''Hardened Flask:'' Doesn't break on a failed capture. (added)		* ''Hardened Flask:'' Doesn't break on a failed capture. (added [[Hardened Tuxeball]])
	* ''Smooth Flask:'' The tuxemon likes you better after capture.		* ''Smooth Flask:'' The tuxemon likes you better after capture.

Jaskrendix at 14:35, 21 March 2023

2023-03-21T14:35:45Z

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	== Item additions ==		== Item additions ==

	* ''Candied Flask:'' Upon capture, the tuxemon increases in level by 1.		* ''Candied Flask:'' Upon capture, the tuxemon increases in level by 1. (added)
	* ''Flavoured Flask:'' The tuxemon's positive taste changes to the one specified by the flask		* ''Flavoured Flask:'' The tuxemon's positive taste changes to the one specified by the flask. (added)
	* ''Quick Flask:'' If the capture fails, you don't lose your turn (but the flask does break as normal)		* ''Quick Flask:'' If the capture fails, you don't lose your turn (but the flask does break as normal). (added)
	* ''Friend Flask:'' A held item. The active tuxemon attempts a capture at a certain point (no action required)		* ''Friend Flask:'' A held item. The active tuxemon attempts a capture at a certain point (no action required).
	* ''Lavish Flask:'' The capture has a higher chance of succeeding.		* ''Lavish Flask:'' The capture has a higher chance of succeeding. (added)
	* ''Hardened Flask:'' Doesn't break on a failed capture.		* ''Hardened Flask:'' Doesn't break on a failed capture. (added)
	* ''Smooth Flask:'' The tuxemon likes you better after capture.		* ''Smooth Flask:'' The tuxemon likes you better after capture.

	= Representation =		= Representation =

Jaskrendix at 18:22, 25 February 2023

2023-02-25T18:22:04Z

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	shake_check = 65536 / (255 / catch_check) ** 0.1875		shake_check = 65536 / (255 / catch_check) ** 0.1875

	~~The only change I would make is limiting the status_modifier to negative [[conditions]].~~

	== Catch Rate ==		== Catch Rate ==